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Rituximab after effects? Options
joeyvt
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:23:34 PM Quote
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Hi all,

I had my first infusion of Rituximab yesterday and have felt fine all day today. I had a tight chest during the infusion and a bit of a headache last night but not much else. In the last hour or so I've developed a really strange headache. I feel an incredible pressure in my head and behind my eyes. It's really quite uncomfortable.

I'm on my own with my two children and arranging someone to stay with them this evening would be very difficult so a trip to A&E is probably not an option. Just wondered if anyone else has had similar or any advice? I think if it gets worse or won't go away, I may give NHS Direct a call.

Thanks for any suggestions

Joanna
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:45:08 PM Quote
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Hi Joanna,
Sorry to hear you are suffering.
It sounds as if you should ring NHS direct, try your GP's number first in case they have an after hours service.
I think you should try to get a doctor see you tonight, just to be on the safe side.
Keep in touch to let us know how you are.

Doreen xx
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:56:47 PM Quote
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Hi Joanna
I am on RTX too
when I had my first treatment I also had a bad head
I took painkillers and went to bed (you may find it hard to fall asleep because of the steriods) it is nothing to worry about
when I did fall asleep by the morning the bad head had eased a lot
if you are worried it would be best to phone RA help line
please try not to worry
there are other people on here who also have RTX so they may talk to you too
take care
Mary L
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:52:05 PM Quote
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Hi Joanna - are you ok today? Thinking of you.

Julie
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:54:14 PM Quote
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How are you now Joanna?

Doreen xx
joeyvt
#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:49:11 PM Quote
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Hi all!

I'm feeling quite a bit better today. I had a cold creeping up last week that I managed to keep at bay but I think the Rituximab has knocked my defences and the cold has crept back. The headaches are more sinus now and aren't as bad.

The RTX / steriod combo doesn't half make you feel a bit queer though! Probably all psychological! Smile

Thanks for all the support!!!

Joanna
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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00:50 AM Quote
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Dear Joanna,

I hope the meds continue to help you SO much!

I haven't tried any biologics yet but just wanted to offer you my support..

Much love,

Amanda
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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:46:03 AM Quote
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Hi Joanna,

I hope you're feeling better. I started Humira last week and have had a couple of pounding headaches and felt sick with it; however, it has now calmed down and the headaches have become less frequent.

Keeping fingers crossed for you that the infusion works,

love,

Barbara
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 11:16:36 AM Quote
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joeyvt wrote:
Hi all,

I had my first infusion of Rituximab yesterday and have felt fine all day today. I had a tight chest during the infusion and a bit of a headache last night but not much else. In the last hour or so I've developed a really strange headache. I feel an incredible pressure in my head and behind my eyes. It's really quite uncomfortable.

I'm on my own with my two children and arranging someone to stay with them this evening would be very difficult so a trip to A&E is probably not an option. Just wondered if anyone else has had similar or any advice? I think if it gets worse or won't go away, I may give NHS Direct a call.

Thanks for any suggestions

Joanna


Hi Joanna
I had my first of two infusions on Tuesday of this week(I have had two sets before) and I feel very light headed as if my head is stuffed with cotton wool. If I take to my bed I cannot sleep because of the steroids. I also feel very nauseated but it does normally pass after a couple of days. If you are worried perhaps you could have a word with your rheumatology nurse.
Hope you're soon feeling better

Fiona
Anne Kakouris
#10 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 2:14:20 PM Quote
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Hi Joeyvt,
I am wondering if your R.A. is controlled with steriods while you wait for the Rituximab to kick in. If I explain you will see my first experience of Rituximab has been colourful.

As Enbrel's failure was confirmed just before christmas, I was put on oral steriod, 10mg per day increase to 30 if necessary but reduce to 5 mgs per day upto ten days before my next appointment after christmas, where it was necessary for me to score a high daz score in my second assesmment to qualify for Rituximab. Follow....?
At this appointment I understood from my specialist nurse and consultant that I could continue on oral steriods or have an injection of Depo Medrone. I opted for the injection since regular steriods give me a fuzzy head and make my cheeks zing.

I reported to my nurse that the depo medrone seemed to have little effect. Ten days after the injection, I went for my first Rituximab infusion, having spoken to an NRAS volunteer regarding the experience. The hospital decided I wasn't fit enough to receive the treatment due to a cold and sent me home with a course of anti-biotic, rebooking a week later. Before I left, they offered me a Depo Medrone injection which I have subsequently discovered can not be given closer than 3 months apart. I explained I had had one ten days prior and that it hadn't seemed to help, so declined it. The ESR result at this appointment was over 100, so my nurse has told me.
The following week was dreadful, all my larger joints swelled and I was unable to sleep longer than two hours at night from the searing pain, especially at the center of my shoulder joints. I couldn't raise bed covers, turnover at night, get on and off the toilet without help, go up and downstairs, appetite loss etc....
I called my nurse to ask for advice, she asked which pain relief I was taking. I wanted something to prevent the damage but at this point I thought my nurse had said I couldn't have any steriods with Rituximab, so I felt I could only hope rituximab would work it's wonders fast!
A week later I returned for the Rituximab infusion. It seemed to take with no ill effect, except the tight chest towards the end, sleepiness and passing headache. Two days following the infusion, I felt great relief from the previous weeks torture. On the third day, Wham! high inflammation returned. (I realise that the cortisone injection at the time of the infusion must have worn off.)
A couple more phone calls to my specialist nurse, "What are you taking?" "Nothing except pain relief". She could not think of an explanation other than, you are experiencing a 'flare' and it could be stress related, drink lots of water.
I was signing off work for upto eight weeks at this point, having thought I would be off for maximum of three days, feeling very low and desperate, I think in my position anyone would feel a little stressed.

My nurse called me last night and asked if I was still taking the 10 mgs of oral steriod......?!!!!
She had called me earlier in the day, suggesting I came in to have my balllooning knees drainned, no mention during any communication about steriod dose. I was/am devastated to discover that the last three weeks of hell were avoidable and unnecessary. I couldn't stop crying last night I felt so upset.
This morning I hobbled to the hospital for ask her what went wrong?
She maintains that I misunderstood the consultant's instruction and that I should have remained on 10mgs of oral steriod, as well as receive the injection....
so why at any point during my numerous requests for help did she not suggest I increase the dose of steriods?

My first infusion of Rituximab is unforgetable. I don't hold any one person responsible for the misunderstanding. At the injection consultation I repeatedly told them I was finding it hard to focus and function due to inflamation. What I can not understand is why 'alarm bells' weren't ringing when my ESR broke the 100 mark.
I even reported to the ward doctor that I wasn't taking anything apart from pain relief. I feel I slipped between the cracks of fully booked clinic lists and unspecialist ward doctor.

My steriods have just arrived from the chemist so I'm off to take 10 mgs. My nurse explained I could be on steriod for an indefinite period. So I asked, at the three month review, how will we know if Rituximab has worked or the steriods are supressing my symptoms?
She said she will know, because the steriod will only address the pain and inflamation in the joints, not the global effects?

My question really is.... are you currently taking oral steriods to tide you over until the rituximab kicks in?
There is no mention of steriods in the diary entries on this site and my NRAS volunteer never mentioned steriods, I even had difficulty trying to establish if R.A. suffers can take the combination of Rituximab with steriods when searching google.

The up shot is; that my work collegues now know I have the potential to be a cripple (also I'm liable to crash and need weeks off at a time!) and I may have fallen out with the one person who consistently looks out for me and cares for me, my nurse.

Second dose of Rituximab due Wednesday 10 Feb, currently considering buying a remote cottage in the highlands and never coming back. What do you think? Though I fear, you can run but never hide...from R.A.
Good luck with your second infusion. Blink


joeyvt
#11 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 2:39:04 PM Quote
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Hi Anne,

Sounds like you had a dreadful time of it!!! That's the problem, sometimes the nurses / doctors just assume we've had the benefit of the same seven or so years of medical training they had Smile and know what we're supposed to do.

I'm not on steroids myself (although I know there are alot of good folk on the forum that are) as I take Methotrexate and Hydroxychloroquine as well. I was on Inflixamab until January when I developed an allergy to the drug and had to stop hence moving on to the Rituximab. I had been doing rather well on the Infliximab since November so no need for steroids.

BTW nice to have you on the forum ... hope you'll find loads of support here!

Joanna
RichardL
#12 Posted : Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:42:02 AM Quote
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Hi Anne,
I had a steroid infusions at the time of of my RTX infusions and understand that this was to keep the RA under control until the RTX worked. I have not had any steroids since and, as the RTX has worked wonderfully, have not needed anything for two years.
RichardL
joeyvt
#13 Posted : Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:47:00 AM Quote
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Sorry Anne, I misunderstood.

I had a steroid infusion just before the Rituximab was given but I don't take steroids in any other form.

Joanna
Anne Kakouris
#14 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 1:38:33 PM Quote
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Hi Joanna and Richard,

Thank you for your encouraging words, it really helps to share experiences with fellow suffers. I can report feeling much better after few days of steriods. It's not a happy thought being dependent on steriod but hopefully by all accounts it won't be necessary once the Rituximab kicks in.
I'm seeing my nurse tomorrow and having my second infusion the following day. I'm more nervous seeing my nurse since the 'misunderstanding'. I think I'll go armed with some flowers....?
The thing I dislike most about the whole episode of being ill, is the feeling of being powerless. ThumbDown
What I love about feeling better is that 'motivation' returns, starting with waking in the morning and being able to sit up. ThumpUp
Thank you for your support, it really helped me feel better.
Best wishes,
Anne
Sheila-R
#15 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 5:00:48 PM Quote
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Thanks everyone for posting here, I've been reading these today as I go for my first Rituximab tomorrow and while I've been really calm about it I've suddenly got the eebbie Jeebies.
Firstly its good to know what side effects I might possibly experience.
Currently I'm taking 12 1/2 mg of oral steroids but the nurse has told me not to take them tomorrow morning because of the injection, nor to take paracetamol as they will also give me that - does that sound correct? Everything else I take I can take as normal. Apparently I can keep taking both the day after the infusion but gradually to try reduce the steroids.
Another question - will they give me more paracetamol during the day as I usually take 3 doses a day to try get rid of the shivers?
Also does the infusion needle go in your arm or the back of your hand and do you get a choice of right or left?
Lastly, I know this sounds silly, but will I be able to walk around with the drip and go to the loo on my own? I forgot to ask this when I saw the nurse.
Many thanks
Sheila

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#16 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 5:24:32 PM Quote
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Just a little warning, a lot of you know the erm, experience I had on the RTX which I wont go into detail here.

BUT you should have puriton and steroid at the time of infusion.

its fine to carry on taking steroid as long as you are monitored etc until the RTX kicks in. it is quite normally to feel groggy after and sometimes during infusion.

sometimes they have to give you extra steroid etc to get you through.

after infusion 1 you can have a little flare but it does pass.

Jenni x
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#17 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 5:46:58 PM Quote
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Hi Sheila
Just want to reassure you and wish you luck for tomorrow. New treatments especially by infusion always make me nervous too.

I had my first cycle of RTX infusions last October and all went OK. If you need more paracetamol you will be able to have it, within normal dosing intervals. The nurses monitor you very closely regularly throughout the infusion, blood pressure, temperature, pulse. If you feel at all odd tell them, it can often be settled with a bit more antihistamine.

The needle usually goes in the lower arm or back of hand, wherever they can find a good vein. They usually warm the arm up with a nice warm heat pad to encourage the veins to become more prominent first. Yes, you can walk around and go to the loo wheeling the drip stand during the infusion (it's a bit awkward, I pushed doors open with my bottom) so bear this in mind when choosing left or right arm! I found it hard to drink from a cup as my needle was taped inside my elbow so some straws were useful the second time!

If the drip becomes disconnected through moving your arm, its easy for them to reconnect.

Take a magazine or something light, I took a book and reread the same paragraph about 50 times!

Finally, make the most of putting your feet up for a few hours!

Hope all goes well,
Lizx
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#18 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 5:54:37 PM Quote
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Hi Sheila

Hope all goes really well for you tomorrow. Will be thinking about you.

Love Jeanxxxx
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#19 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 6:37:36 PM Quote
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Good luck Sheila.
Hope it goes well.

Love Doreen xx
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#20 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2010 6:51:08 PM Quote
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Hi Sheila,

I had my second dose of Rituximab last Monday and it was completely trouble free. When I had to go for my first session (two weeks before that) I was as nervous as all hell. I think that must be natural.

All I can say is don't worry about it too much; it's a great excuse to sit and do absolutely nothing .... you'll be A1 and will hopefully start seeing some results.

Good luck with it tomorrow!

Joanna
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